the mexican border in arizona. they remember him as a good agent and kind father. >> being involved in a law enforcement position is one where you literally risk all, and he was willing to do that, and in the end he gave his all. very soft-spoken, gentle giant if you will. bill: he was 30 years old, married, father of two and we remember him fondly. martha: many political experts saying that governor romney had to go in there last night and shakeup the 2012 race during that debate if he wanted to do well when it came to the actual voting in the beginning of november. he and the president battled over issues on the economy, they talked about healthcare. so, how did mitt romney do last night? let's talk to herman cain. he debated governor romney several times during the primaries, a former presidential candidate of course and also the ceo of godfather's pizza. good morning, mr. cain happy to have you here. >> thanks, martha, happy to be here. martha: you're one of the people that has been on stage with mitt romney in the past. did you see a different mitt romney in anyway last night? >> i saw